Hobbit readalong, final week, J R R Tolkien

This week is the final week of the Hobbit readalong and the questions have been provided by  The Wicked Queen’s Mirror .  I really cannot stress enough that if you haven’t read The Hobbit and are intending to do so then don’t read any further as spoilers are contained within.

Thanks and straight to the Q&A:

1) Throughout the book there are many examples of greed (for both food and treasure). Why do you think Bilbo takes and hides the Arkenstone when he is later happy to ransom it for peace?  Is it simple greed? Forethought? Or a convenient plot device?

Strangely enough I don’t think Bilbo was bothered about any of the treasure.  He was only ever roped into the adventure because of his stubborn pride and he doesn’t really need any extra money as he already has a very comfortable existence.  I think throughout the story Bilbo showed a remarkable ability to think ahead and almost to benefit from a kind of foresight of sorts.  I’m not sure  that he knew himself why he’d picked up the Arkenstone other than that it seemed to be of great importance to Gloin – perhaps he was intending on presenting the stone to Gloin in a flourish, although I think it’s more likely that he’d started to see a different side to Gloin and so was keeping the stone as a bargaining tool.

2) Much has been written of Tolkien’s experiences in World War One and how the Lord of the Rings  shows both the romantic, heroic aspects of war (Aragorn’s journey)but also the stark realities (Frodo’s journey).  What did you think about the way the Battle of Five Armies was described? Did you feel these two aspects of war were represented?

Well, yes, I think both aspects were shown.  You have for example people rushing into the fray without hesitation, you have people and animals taking part, even at great risk to themselves, when they actually really didn’t need to join the battle and then alternately you have the loss of life and the sadness at the demise of Gloin and many others.

3)What did you think about the role of the goblins in the Battle of Five Armies? Was it easy for you to accept their appearance and that the threat they posed would automatically unite the men and elves with the dwarves? Or did you find it too simplistic?

I wasn’t really surprised at the appearance of the Goblins, they are basically greedy creatures and would be naturally compelled by the thought of all the wealth left unprotected after the passing of Smaug.  I suppose it was also fairly natural for the others to unite against the common enemy.  At the end of the day the elves/men and dwarves were not really enemies they were fighting over the gold and what they thought should be their share of of it.  The goblins are the natural enemy to all of them.

4) In ‘The Last Stage’ we are told Bilbo remained very happy to the end of his days. If you had been off on an adventures could you settle back to normal life so easily? Would you be content with only occasional visits to the elves?

I suppose Bilbo’s ‘Baggins’ side came out eventually.  We heard (many) times of his longing for his hearth and a cup of tea.  I think deep down he probably would have still liked something of an adventure but  maybe possession of the ring also changed his feelings.  After all, if he was off on adventures here and there roaming the hills there’d be more chance of him loosing the ring.

I enjoyed this reread and taking part with other readers.  I also feel set up and ready to watch the film now when it’ finally released.

I must confess I was surprised at how quickly Smaug was killed off – it seemed very sudden and I was expecting the dragon to have a bigger part somehow.  I thought the chapter where he met Bilbo and they had their little chat was very entertaining.

Thanks again to Writers’ Bloc for hosting this.

 

The Hobbit readalong, week 2, J R R Tolkien

This week is week 2 of our Hobbit readalong being hosted by writers’ bloc.  Week one’s discussions can be found here and if you haven’t already read The Hobbit, then either please go and find a copy, catch up and join in or don’t read this post any further because it will spoil for you any future reading of this book.  This week myself and Matt provided the questions which start below.

1. If you’ve already read the LoTR (or for that matter seen the film) what do you make of The Hobbit so far as a prequel to that book?

I’ve been surprised on a few fronts with this book.  Last week revealed to me how very little I actually remember of this story!  This week I’ve been surprised at the similarities or parallels of The Hobbit with the Lord of the Rings.  If you consider the story so far there have been quite a few.  We started the adventure in Bilbo’s home town of Hobbiton, along the way the band ended up at Rivendell, they were accosted by goblins underground.  There are the scenes in the creepy forest – large spiders, talking eagles, wargs, another elven society.  They then come to the land of men.  Lots of similarities.  I suppose it makes sense that Tolkien used The Hobbit to cut his teeth on prior to LoTR.  The writing is much more simple but we also have the beginnings of the epic adventure in that the one ring has finally been discovered.

2. I haven’t found the writing in The Hobbit overly descriptive, it’s written almost in a way that takes it for granted that the reader will bring a certain element of knowledge to the reading.  Have you enjoyed Tolkien’s style of writing?  Does it make it easy for you to imagine the world that he’s come up with?

I do like Tolkien’s writing style although I can see why some people would not.  The Hobbit is less descriptive than the LoTR for sure and a much simpler read.  Tolkien doesn’t really go into any detail about the creatures – I think he just assumes you will know what a troll is or what an elf looks like.  I quite like that but I can’t deny that the LoTR films have overtaken any images I had going on in my mind anyway.  When I read this now my imagination is guided by that film – it’s impossible not to picture the world created by Peter Jackson.

3. Well, it’s been far from an easy journey.  The stretch through Mirkwood was particularly hazardous – although I’m a bit puzzled about the names – Flies and Spiders.  Spiders yes, but flies??    Anyway, given the situations that they’ve faced so far, which one would be your worst nightmare?

The most obvious answer is the spiders.  I’m not overly fond of spiders at the best of time and that’s when they’re just simple housespiders.  The notion of these huge spiders with their scary sounding voices is really quite terrifying  – I mean, they’ve got eight legs after all – the little tiny ones can get about pretty quick so I hate to thing how quickly these would come at you.  Why was the chapter called flies and spiders – I can only think that it refers to the dwarves being caught like flies in a trap?

Matt’s Questions

4. In Chapter VIII, “Flies and Spiders”, there is a moment when Bilbo kills his first giant spider, and something in him changes – he seems to make this dramatic and instant transformation from whiny, annoying hobbit to heroic slayer of beasts of burden. Do you think this transformation is too quick or forced, or too unrealistic (as far as realism goes in a forest with giant spiders)?

It was certainly a very quick transformation and I couldn’t help thinking he’d come on a fair bit when he was killing spiders left and right.  I quite like the way that Bilbo has developed but to be fair I think he finds that the ring lends him a lot of his new found courage.  He would never have escaped the Goblins or tempted the spiders away from their lair or got the dwarves out of their captivity with the elves.  I hope that the ring doesn’t make him over confident!  He’s not met Smaug yet after all.

5. On the topic of heroism, it seems a major idea in this book is that anybody can be a hero – Bilbo is a very ordinary person, living and longing for an ordinary life, yet he does have heroic traits in him which appear when they are finally needed. Do you agree with this idea? Can anybody be a hero? Could you rise up if you were put into this situation, or is there even a way of knowing without putting yourself into such a situation?

I suppose you don’t really know your own strength until it’s put to the test but it would be nice to think that we would all rise to the occasion if it became necessary.  That said, with the situations they’ve so far faced it’s quite simply been a choice of do or die.  I suppose if Bilbo had been more cowardly he could simply have snuck off and left the dwarves to their fate but would you really be able to live with that.  The good thing about Bilbo’s actions so far is that he takes his time and considers the best course of action.  I like that.  I think the temptation would be to rush in like a maniac but this more considered approach seems to be working better for them all.

6. For me personally, I have found chapters VI to XII much more interesting than the first part of the book. Have you found them more interesting, and if so, why exactly do you think so?

I have enjoyed these chapters.  There’s a lot going on after all.  Personally I think that this story follows a typical story format.  It feels like we had a very decided introduction.  We’re made familiar with the hobbit and his home and there’s a lot of shuffling backwards and forwards down corridors, making tea and cake.  Then the adventure begins and at first it feels like a nice little jaunt, until the party start to get into a few scrapes which gradually pick up in tempo as we reach the middle.  For example, the situation with the trolls was all resolved fairly quickly whereas the situation later with the elves took a bit more consideration.  It was as though the earlier trials were a rehearsal for what was really to come.  And now we just have to read the grand finale.