Final Empire by Brandon Sanderson, Mistborn readalong week 2

Just finished reading the concluding chapters of Final Empire by Brandon Sanderson for the readalong being hosted by Carl at Stainless Steel Droppings.  This has really been a great book choice for a readalong and has generated such a lot of discussion.  Without further ado lets get to this week’s questions – if you haven’t read Final Empire and intend to do so then you might want to stop reading now as spoilers will be contained below.

1.  So, what do you think of Kelsier’s plan now? Or his ‘plan within a plan’?  How do you feel the late introduction of the kandra and how it fit into Kelsier’s plan?

I was really surprised by the introduction of the Kandra.  I knew that Renoux was different and there had been a couple of hints along the way about this but I hadn’t really given it a lot of consideration.  I truly never saw that coming at all and was genuinely surprised.  Even more so because for one split second I actually thought Kelsier was alive again and was expecting some strange explanation of how this could be so.  I must admit I found the fact that the Kandra had had to consume his body in order to become Kel a bit ‘icky’.  I couldn’t believe that all along Kel had planned this?   I just couldn’t help thinking surely you could have come up with a plan where you didn’t have to die.  And now the Kandra is under Vin’s control?  Interesting.  I guess at the end Kel did become the martyr to the cause and the nudge to provoke the Skaa to uprise.

2.  The final section of the book was very Vin-centric.  How do you feel about the choices she made and did you have any worries/fears about what might happen to her before everything was resolved?

Well, at first she came across as a little rash just running into action without anything that seemed to resemble a plan.  I didn’t blame her though in fact I admired her for it.  I suppose for Vin she’d always figured that they would never pull this plan off and she was always anticipating her own death so in her eyes it wasn’t like she had anything to lose.  I also felt that finally she had come to the conclusion that she was different and started to have some self belief – I thought that was a really good moment, a sort of turning point.  I actually didn’t have any worries about what was going to happen to Vin, even when she was captured.  Not because I had everything figured out, far from it, but it just seemed that with Kel dead if Vin followed suit then there would be very little left to take the story forward.  I guess I was having one of those smug moments where you think that the hero can’t die when you’re watching a film, usually followed by the hero dying in some horrible way!  Part of me was thinking ‘hold on, you didn’t think Kel was going to die’ and look how that ended but then the other part of me was thinking that if Vin died that would be the end because I can’t figure out who the story would then follow.  Perhaps we’ll have some more characters introduced in the next book and who knows what will happen!  I think all along I thought the Final Empire was going to be exactly that – the final empire – I know that’s rather simplistic but it’s what I always figured the title of the book referred to, although of course it could have two different interpretations.  I never really thought that Kel would be the final hero (I didn’t think he would die) but it always felt like he was grooming Vin to be something more so I always thought she would come through in the end.

3.  After all that we find out that the Lord Ruler wasn’t the prophesied one after all.  Surprised? Had you figured it out?  What thoughts do you have about the big reveal, including how it tied into Sazed’s people?

I was very surprised by the eventual reveal.  I always thought that the Lord Ruler was not the prophesied one, I thought he was someone who had mistakenly applied the prophecy to himself – I was almost thinking that Vin might be the one the prophecy related to and that was why I was confident that she would defeat him at the end.  It was also why I thought he was looking for her.   I think during the discussions last week the point had arisen about the Lord Ruler not being the real prophesised one but this point was made in relation to the fact that that his chronicles had stopped abruptly – to be honest, I must admit that I never really thought about that.  It just didn’t occur to me that his chronicles had stopped because someone else had taken his place.  I thought his chronicles had stopped because he’d fundamentally changed somehow.  I don’t know whether I’m just incredibly dense but I found so many surprises at the end of this novel, things that I hadn’t foreseen but I’m really pleased that Sanderson was able to do that.  Sometimes I have no problem second guessing what’s going to happen in a book and whilst this might make me feel all pleased with myself momentarily to be honest it’s far preferable to have an ending that I didn’t suspect at all.

4.  There was some back and forth about Elend throughout the story and we finally got to see him take a greater stand.  Any predictions about what might happen in book two with Elend taking on leadership duties?
I think after all my answers to the above I might as well give up on making predications for the rest of this trilogy!  I always liked Elend and I hoped that he would have a chance to prove himself which I think he finally did at the end.  I don’t know how he will cope with leadership.  He never particularly struck me as someone with leadership abilities but I’m prepared to be surprised by him.  And he comes from a house used to running things so maybe some of that leadership will have rubbed off on him.

5.  Lastly, provide a little wrap up of your experience with the book.  What do you think Sanderson’s strengths are?  How does this book stack up against other fantasies you’ve read?
This is my first Sanderson novel.  He’s an author that I’ve heard lots of good things about but for some reason have never got into reading.  I don’t think this is anything more than a desire on my part not to get into any more lengthy series of ‘BIG’ books.  However, I’m really pleased that I’ve had the opportunity to read this as part of a readalong – it makes the whole experience so much more rewarding.  I’ve twisted and turned with my opinions on this novel more than a twisty turny thing.  Basically this is an excellent book for a group discussion.  There are so many elements to it but Sanderson manages to introduce them in a way that is easy to come to grips with and doesn’t come across as a major expo dump.  I also love the way that he anticipates what you’re thinking as a reader.  I found that I’d be reading some element and thinking ‘but why did such a thing happen?’ and within a couple of paragraphs I usually got the answer.  On top of this he’s managed to come up with such a wonderful story, a strange place that we’ve yet got so much to learn about, a well thought out magical system that is unique to anything I’ve read about before and new races of people with amazing abilities.  You kind of expect dwarves and elves in fantasy these days and you also kind of feel as though the world in which the fantasy will be set will be earth – none of that is true of this novel.  I’m eagerly awaiting our readalong for number 2 and would like to thank Carl for hosting this readalong.

The Final Empire, Mistborn Book One by Brendan Sanderson, readalong

I’m taking part in a group readalong of Brendan Sanderson’s Final Empire, Mistborn book one which is being hosted by Carl at Stainless Steel Droppings as part of his Once Upon a Time event.  The following is my initial thoughts on the reading so far which have taken us through the prologue and up to the start of Chapter 7.  If you haven’t read this book before then the following discussions will undoubtedly contain spoilers so please avoid reading any further.  Also, you’re never to late to join so check out Carl’s event at the link above.

1. This first hundred or so pages was packed!  What things are standing out for you in the story thus far?

This is the first Sanderson novel I’ve read and so far it’s proving to be really quite gripping in fact I read the allocated chapters in one sitting and could happily have continued on but didn’t want to get all spoilery.   My first impressions are very favourable – I’m really enjoying the story, it’s been very easy to read with plenty going on to move it forward quite quickly.  I like Sanderson’s writing style, he doesn’t spend a lot of time world building.  It feels like we’re pretty much just thrown in and we’re picking it up as we go along.  I don’t mind this it’s just probably a lot more obvious to me at the moment because I’ve just finished a Scott Lynch novel which is quite the opposite and is rich in detail so I can’t help noticing the difference between the two.  There are a couple of things that did occur to me whilst reading which aren’t exactly criticisms more just observations as I go along.  For example, I don’t feel at the moment any really strong feelings towards the Skaa – this whole element has a definite plantation/slavery feel and although you are told that the Skaa are treated badly and you can see they’re downtrodden I don’t feel at this point that Sanderson is making the most of this element of the story.  So, obviously, I don’t like the way the Skaa are treated but I want to care a LOT more than I currently do.  I’m probably not being very articulate here but it just feels as though this element is only briefly touched on and I don’t get a real sense of overwhelming despair.   And this leads me to the next slight issue I have which also reminds me of another recently read book.  We’ve just had Kell’s plot to overthrow the Dark Lord revealed during which we’re sort of told a few times that the Skaa won’t do anything willingly to assist and that in fact they’ll have to be, well I don’t know the proper phrase, but glamoured or ‘magicked’ into helping – which feels a bit like taking their own control away from them without their knowledge (puts me in mind a bit of the Mule from the Foundation series with his – ‘I’m keeping the peace and there will be no wars, etc, but all achieved by mind control again).  It makes me feel a bit conflicted.  I can see that the Skaa live miserable lives but I find it difficult to believe that there wouldn’t be more of an undertone of rebellion in their midst and even if this isn’t the case, because they’re so full of despair, then I’m not sure that taking their free will is the right thing either.  It still feels a bit like manipulation or just swapping one form of control for another or being used by a different bunch of people for different reasons.  Especially as the group planning this are basically just planning a major heist which in order to succeed will involve them using 10,000 Skaa (against their own free will) in a battle (and let’s be honest people usually die in battles)  that will ultimately achieve riches beyond belief for this small band of thieves – and maybe a brief moment of giving the finger to the Dark Lord but not much more.  So, that sounded like a bit of a rant which was quite unintentional.  Like I said I’m finding this a very easy book to read so far and this sounds overly critical which isn’t intended because for the record I’ve really enjoyed reading it to this point :).

2. What are your thoughts on the magic system that Sanderson is unveiling in this novel?

I think the magic system is really unique.  I don’t think I’ve ever read anything like this before which frankly is a bit of an achievement given how much fantasy is out there!  And, it makes for some very interesting scenes – the fight scene was really dramatic as was Kelsier’s way of travelling over the roof tops – and we haven’t seen all the different types of magic yet so it feels like there’s plenty more yet to explore and I’m really looking forward to it being expanded upon.

3. Kelsier and Vin have held most of the spotlight in these first 6 chapters.  As you compare/contrast the two characters, how do you feel about them? Likes? Dislikes?
At this stage I quite like both of them.  Vin has had a fairly rough existence so far and is naturally suspicious of everyone – I think what stood out to me about the difference between the two is that Vin really does seem to have lived amongst the lowest of the low.  None of the people that she was involved with seemed to care one jot about each other and wouldn’t hesitate to sell each other out.  At least Kelsier seems to have come from a slightly different background – okay, it seems as though he was also betrayed, but he seems to have a lot more people around him who are more trustworthy so whilst he has some reason to be suspicious of people he’s not as sceptical as Vin.  I wouldn’t say I have any dislikes about either of them at the moment – I did feel a little bit, maybe, irritated, with Kelsier when he had his late night excursion to rob one of the nobles – he seems to be recklessly arrogant and frankly he nearly came unstuck – okay, he succeeded but I just wondered why he wouldn’t try and be a little bit more cautious, especially given what he is planning.

4.  Finally, how would you assess Sanderson’s storytelling abilities to this point?

So far, I’m enjoying this.  Yes, it’s a different writing style than say Scott Lynch, but I’m okay with that in fact I like that it’s different.  I think Sanderson has come up with a fairly unique fantasy world and I’m looking forward to learning more about it, particularly what is all the ash about – did I miss something there??  Is this set in some sort of post apocalyptic world?  I think his storytelling abilities are working out well – I didn’t know what to expect but at the moment I’m pleasantly surprised.  This is fairly easy going, it seems to have quite a bit of action and it’s easy to get a grasp of and I’m looking forward to seeing how things develop with this crazy plan.

Thanks for the discussion starters and questions.  I’m looking forward to seeing how everyone else felt.

Lynn 😀