Kushiel’s Scion by Jacqueline Carey, Readalong week No.3

 

559172Today is week three of our readalong for Kushiel’s Scion.

If you’re interested in joining the readalong the details and other participants are below.  Feel free to join in and obviously, if you haven’t read this series but are intending to do so please be aware of spoilers – because they’re running amok below

Now, to the Q&A:

1. Maslin says that Imriel’s gift of Lombelon made the estate small by so easily discarding it. Eamonn says it was Maslin that made it small. Who do you think is right?

I suppose you could equally argue for both sides of the discussion, but I think Maslin is in the wrong here.  Frankly his behaviour comes across as petty and spoiled.  I don’t think he enjoys the feeling of being beholden to be honest and yet Imriel isn’t exactly expecting him to bow and scrape.  It just feels like the feelings that Maslin feels are being self inflicted.  It boils down to the intent really and if Maslin can’t see that Imriel’s intent was well meant then that particular feeling of resentment is coming from within himself.  He just feels a bit bitter and also a little bit spiteful.

2. What do you think of Imriel’s oath to Sidonie? Do you believe him? Would you believe him were you in Sidonie’s position? When he makes this oath, Imriel is still fairly young and doesn’t have a lot of experience in politics. Do you think there’s anything that could change his mind?

I believe that he believes his oath!  I also think that he’s been brought up in a family that certainly know enough and have been involved enough in politics so you could argue he’s had a decent grounding in that respect.  However, Imriel is still young and I think his own lack of experience was maybe a little bit glaring when he made the oath.  These oaths are not just ‘throw away’ things to be made casually and so to an extent I don’t think he realises exactly the full ramifications of what he did.  Again, if you look at intentions I think his were well intended but on the face of it it came across more as a gesture – although deep down I’m sure he was trying to make Sidione see that he really isn’t a threat to her.

3. Things change between them during a hunt. What do you think?

In a way you could see this attraction coming along – well, I thought so anyway, so I can’t say it’s a big surprise.  It’s that fine line ‘thing’ between love and hate.  They seem to have had animosity towards each other for a while – or at least Sidione seems to have had towards Imriel, but it seems that some of that was built on fear.  On top of that Imriel seems to want to be liked and so between the two of them they have become fixated on each other.  Not sure what else to make of it at the moment.

4. Imriel becomes the unwilling target or subject of potentially a treasonous plot. What do you think of Bertran’s reaction? Of Ysandre’s reaction and advice to Imriel?

 

I think Bertram acted foolishly.  The way he responded made him look as though he’s never really trusted Imriel but was friends with him only with the ethos of ‘keep your friends close but your enemies closer’ in mind.  I didn’t like the way he acted and the way he virtually ran to Ysandre – and, now I think about it some more, he lied and said that Imriel had hampered the chase when in actual fact he had been the one to get in Imriel’s way!  Now that just makes me think he was involved in it all along – plus he picked up the hat so he could have placed something in it – very suspicious.  In terms of Ysandre – she has a lot of experience doesn’t she, I thought her advice was sound in one way.  I was surprised to see that she was scared of starting something – at the end of the day whether you want problems or not you can’t stop them from coming along.  It feels a little like she’s taking the ostrich approach and I don’t think that’s going to make her problems go away as we’ve learnt in the past.

5. What do you think of Talorcan and Dorelei and the idea of the betrothals?

I felt a little bit sad for Imriel to be honest.  I mean, yes, I sort of expected the idea of politics and arranged marriages to creep into his life but he’s only just come of age and already he’s a pawn on the royal board!  I don’t think he’s maybe given Dorelei a chance but then I also don’t think he’s ready for it all.  And, it must be difficult for him, coming from the home of Phedre and Joscelin, who chose each other for love.

6. Mavros takes Imriel to Valerian House and forces him to confront…less vanilla sex, if nothing else, and Imriel eventually gives in. What do you think of this? Was Mavros too pushy? Why did Imriel give Sephira her own signale?

To be honest I’m not totally comfortable with it all.  It’s almost as though everybody just naturally assumes that this is who Imriel is – and perhaps it is – but for me it feels very forced.  I think he gave Sephira’s signale because in actual fact it was too much for him – and he doesn’t have a signale!

That’s it this week.

Here is the current schedule:

Week 1: Prologue-chpt. 11, post on Sunday Jan 3rd, hosted by Dab of Darkness
Week 2: Chpts. 12-19, Jan 10th, hosted by Tethyan Books
Week 3: Chpts. 20-27, Jan 17th, hosted by Emma Wolf
Week 4: Chpts. 28-36, Jan  24th, hosted by Over the Effing Rainbow
Week 5: Chpts. 37-44, Jan 31st, hosted by Lynn’s Book Blog
Week 6: Chpts. 45-52, Feb 7th, hosted by Dab of Darkness
Week 7: Chpts. 53-60,  Feb 14th, hosted by Tethyan Books
Week 8: Chpt. 61-End, Feb 21st, hosted by Emma Wolf

And here is the current list of participators:
Allie at Tethyan Books
Lisa at Over the Effing Rainbow
Lynn at Lynn’s Book Blog
Emily at Emma Wolf
Susan at Dab of Darkness

 

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6 Responses to “Kushiel’s Scion by Jacqueline Carey, Readalong week No.3”

  1. emmawolf

    I agree with you about Maslin being petty. I think it’s an immaturity too maybe. I’m just contrasting his behavior to Favrielle’s. Phedre buying her marque didn’t cheapen her art. I’m probably phrasing this badly.

    I definitely see your point about Bertran. It makes me sad. I hope he wasn’t only friends with Imriel in a keep your enemies closer way. I think he’s naive, and it showed in how he handled it, and not cunning enough to befriend Imriel on pretense.

    I like your thoughts on Ysandre there. Her actions always felt weird to me, but I was never able to flesh out why. Ostrich.

    • @lynnsbooks

      I sometimes see or say things so very directly that I wish I took the time to be a bit more gentle! I do think Maslin also acts a little immaturely and I should at least take account of that – talk about fools rushing in (that’s me!). I do get all caught up with it though sometimes. And, yeah, I can completely see where you’re coming from about Favrielle.
      Bertran makes me a little sad too – I hope he wasn’t as cunning as all that really – it would be pretty awful for Imriel if he was! He’d never be able to trust anyone again would he.
      Lynn 😀

  2. tethyanbooks

    I agree with your thoughts on Maslin. His bitterness is self-inflicted, not Imriel’s fault. I hope he gets over it someday.

    Yeah, I don’t think Imriel’s really ready to be considering marrying anyone. I also don’t think Terre d’Ange would force a betrothal on Imriel, though it would be very convenient for everyone if he took to Dorelei.

    I interpreted the signale pretty much the same way–Imriel just wanted things to stop! I think he did want to go with them to Valerian House, though.

    • @lynnsbooks

      Maslin – yeah, it’s a bit of a shame really, I understand why he’s feeling bad but he’s playing the blame game.
      It would definitely be convenient for Imriel to take to Dorelei. You know, if they hadn’t been so obvious about it Imriel might have come to like Dorelei by himself – but we’ll never know now.
      He certainly seemed keen to go to Valerian House. It puzzles me a little because it almost seems out of the realms of possibility that Imriel doesn’t have those desires? Would that be so impossible to believe?
      Lynn 😀

  3. nrlymrtl

    I would argue that Imri has a really good idea of what it means to hold to an oath and that they are not throw away gestures. His mother made an oath to Phedre and Phedre made an oath to Melisandre and the gods. Joscelin didn’t lightly toss away most of his Casseline vows and he kept to the most important one. Imri is surrounded by oaths that held, and because of those oaths (in part) he was saved from Darsanga and allowed to live with Phedre and Joscelin. After all, Ysandre kept to her Companion’s Star boon as well.

    So I don’t think he would swear his oath to Sidonie lightly, but I don’t know if she woud realize that at first. She might need time to think about it, maybe even talk with Alais about Imri’s history.

    • @lynnsbooks

      I don’t think Imri would do anything lightly – he’s had too much of a bleak background and also then a very solid grounding from Phedre and Joscelin – but, I still think he’s so young that he doesn’t really understand the full implications and I think maybe he was trying to impress Sidione because of the feelings he was starting to feel. He is definitely a serious character though – with good reason!
      It’s an odd relationship between Sidonie and Imriel – she’s always been very cautious around him, wary, and because of her icy demeanour towards him it’s like in a way he craves her approval or something. It will be interesting to see how this develops.
      Lynn 😀

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