Final Empire by Brandon Sanderson, Mistborn readalong

Just finished reading the fourth instalment of the first book in the Mistborn series by Brandon Sanderson for the readalong challenge being hosted by Carl over at Stainless Steel Droppings.  Check out the discussions here and although it’s probably a bit late to join in reading this book we are also going to be reading books No.2 and 3 so it’s never too late to join us.

This week’s reading has been so exciting – only one more week before I find out the conclusion!  Onto this week’s questions: (Whoops!  Forgot to draw your attention to spoilers!!)

1.       Well, we finally got our long awaited view of the Lord Ruler, firstly just a brief glimpse during the executions and then during the fight with Kelsier.  What do you now think about him and the myth’s surrounding him?  And, given his strength do you think he can be beaten?

I’m not sure that I ever really understood that the Lord Ruler was such a very powerful allomancer (or whatever magic it is he’s using).  Working his magic over all those people in the crowd during the executions – most peculiar, not to mention extremely demonstrative!  Also, he finally did put in an appearance – unfortunately – and he does seem fairly invincible.  I was racking my brains for something, some similarity to anything that might give me a clue as to what he is.  The nearest I can come to is a book I recently read about immortals who also couldn’t be killed without a great deal of effort.  I was also intrigued about the Inquisitors interest in Vin.  They are very keen to locate her – clearly the Lord Ruler has something to fear from her but I really don’t know what.  Perhaps she will be the one who can use the eleventh metal.  Anyway, if I didn’t already think he deserved to die (which I did), executing all those people and then killing Kelsier has certainly not improved my mood towards him at all!  Do I think he’s invincible – last week I said I thought he could be beaten and so foolish consistency it may be but I’m going to stick with that theory.

2.       We seemed to suffer a number of set backs to the plans this week.  The army had already been all but destroyed and following a bit of a rethink/regroup/coming up with a Plan B things still have gone disastrously astray.  What do you think the Crew will do now??

Well, the crew already seemed to be losing their will to stick together.  But, I can’t help wondering whether Kel’s sacrifice might provoke other people to rise up.  Perhaps he will become a martyr.  I think Vin is going to have to step up and be tested now and hopefully she’ll be able to hold everyone together.

3.       What was your reaction to Kelsier’s response to finding Marsh dead?  I can’t help feeling that there are going to be some serious economic repercussions to destroying the crystals – what sort of impact do you think this will have, not just on the nobles but on the Skaa?

I could totally understand his reaction and to a certain extent I was thinking good (in fact I had a bit of a punch the air type of moment) – now he’s going to get some payback!  (Which he did by striking out at what would hurt the Lord Ruler most).  That being said, I’ve got a bad feeling about this plus the Skaa then got it in the neck again. I think somewhere deep inside I can’t help wondering what the Lord Ruler is using all that Atrium for?  He doesn’t come out of his lair very often so surely he can’t be using it all for magic – I can only think he’s using it somehow to keep the mists and the darkness at bay.  We might regret not having the atrium.  It will certainly have an effect on the nobility – particularly House Venture.  I’m not sure about the Skaa – at least they won’t have to work down the mines again?

4.       Finally, each week we learn a little bit more of the Lord Ruler’s history.  And each week it has a different impact.  This week’s snippets had the same impact – I was really interested in the excerpt when he mentions that the Darkness is not as oppressive when higher up in the mountains – do you have any more ideas about the Darkness?

I find these little stories fascinating and fluctuate between thinking the Lord Ruler really did change as a result of his role and the length of time he’s endured and reverting back to thinking he’s a raging monster.  Did he really start out relatively normal and become like this or was he always just a raging ego maniac.  I wonder why he seems to fear Vin and can’t help thinking maybe there was something in the prophecy that he is trying to hide.

5.       (I did have another query – but it might be too much??)  I was wondering about Elend and Vin – they’ve also had their ups and downs this week but seem determined to work round them – can you see anything of a future for these two or is there too much history between the nobles and Skaa and too much difference and prejudice between the two?

I was really surprised at first when Elend gave Vin the big elbow – then I remembered he’d been having her followed and thought she was spying on him – even so though I was really shocked – and he was sitting at his family’s table.  What the hell is wrong with his dad?  What a rat!  Anyway, back to the point.  I liked the way that Elend then came around to thinking he didn’t mind too much if Vin was just trying to rob him.  I also thought it was an eye opening moment when he was trying to help Vin – when he thought she was part of the captured Skaa being taken for execution.  I hope they can find a way to make it work and because I like to have a happy ending I’m going to imagine that this is the case!  Time will tell.

15 Responses to “Final Empire by Brandon Sanderson, Mistborn readalong”

  1. Kristen M.'s avatar Kristen M.

    This book definitely has twists and turns and there is always some new plot line that has yet to emerge. I feel like my thoughts and assumptions each week are quickly overturned by what comes next. Obviously Vin truly is special though if she is being sought out!

    • @lynnsbooks's avatar lynnsbooks

      This books twists and turns like a twisty turny thing for sure. You’re right – every time I come up with an idea it gets knocked down the following week. Even if I have little niggling questions Sanderson seems to anticipate them and answer them within a couple of pages – is he using Atium as well!
      Vin is going to have to pull the rabbit out of the hat now though!
      Lynn 😀

  2. Charlotte C.'s avatar Charlotte C.

    I had the same thought about Kel possibly becoming a martyr and an inspiration to the skaa by his death. He had already gained a reputation as the only Survivor of the Pits and helped fuel rumors of a rebellion and had achieved, I think, an almost mystical quality for the skaa. We shall see what Vin can now accomplish; Kel always saw something special about her.

    • @lynnsbooks's avatar lynnsbooks

      I suppose Kelsier was just feeling very reckless as well – it’s like he’d lost his hope with his last family member – not to mention they weren’t on the best of terms but now there’s no way for him to change that. It’s all very sad and made much more so because of his death. I definitely had a bit of a sulk there for a moment.
      I think Vin has definitely got something different going on – I don’t know what precisely but the Lord Ruler seems to fear her also.
      Lynn 😀

      • SueCCCP (@SueCCCP)'s avatar SueCCCP (@SueCCCP)

        Plus he might have wanted to make a last desperate attempt before the Inquisitors came for all of them. I was so hoping that the skaa would rise up in revolt . . .

  3. Grace's avatar Grace

    My first thought when Kelsier destroyed the Pits was to worry about Elend. I wondered what would happen when the Lord Ruler found out and whether all of House Venture would be punished for it.

    • Naithin's avatar Naithin

      Yeah, agreed. I think that House Venture will be (or in timeline terms, may have already been) hit fairly hard.

      • TBM's avatar TBM

        That was my first thought as well….and then I thought, boy is Vin going to be mad that Kelsier put Elend in a bad spot.

  4. TBM's avatar TBM

    Hi Lynn. First I would like to thank you for providing the questions this week…they got my juices flowing. Boy was I surprised when the Lord Ruler actually made an appearance and he turned out to be this incredibly strong and invincible fighter. He killed Kelsier like he was just an ant. I hate being wrong, but to find out about him this way and to see one of my favorite characters die it was almost too much for me to handle. Obviously I got over that quickly and finished the novel.

    And I’m glad you asked about the Deepness. It is always in the back of my mind but you brought it forward and now I have time to ponder it before I begin the next novel.

  5. Michael H's avatar Michael

    I believe the Lord Ruler probably had a tendency to be ego-centric and being absolute ruler probably only built this up to the point we see now. Too many “yes men” telling him he’s always right could do that to him! (Of course, who would say no to him, right?!?)

    As for Vin and Elund, I hope they can make it work. But I see some obstacles in their way. I think a lot of it depends on if the Lord Ruler is overthrown and how a new social order could gel.

    • @lynnsbooks's avatar lynnsbooks

      Plus – he had a lot longer to rule than most people so it makes sense that he would almost become inhuman.
      I guess the Lord Ruler will be overthrown eventually – I sort of thought it would happen in this book (but I was being very simple minded and taking the title quite literally – Final Empire – but this could have two meanings after all!)
      Lynn 😀

  6. Amanda's avatar Amanda

    Completely agree with your assessment in question #2. 🙂

    • @lynnsbooks's avatar lynnsbooks

      Having finished the book now I can see that that wasn’t too far from the mark!
      Thanks Amanda
      I’ve loved this book – it’s been such a brilliant readalong – I’ve pretty much been wrong with everything I’ve said or predicted but I can genuinley say I’m glad to be wrong – I’m glad that I didn’t second guess everything and I like that Sanderson is able to surprise me right up to the end.
      Lynn 😀

  7. Carl V. Anderson's avatar Carl V.

    TLR was really revealed to be a nasty piece of work in this one. Wow! I never expected him to be that powerful. It all seemed very effortless, which I guess I should have seen coming given just how touch the Steel Inquisitors were, but I still had my doubts. This week silenced those doubts. He is a well-realized villain.

    I’m hoping Kell’s death will cause even more cohesiveness to the group, a bonding not based on what they can get out of the deal but what they can bring to it.

    I worry about what the atium is for as well and I wonder if a bunch of it had to do with his own power needs or if atium is somehow tied into keeping the Deepness at bay. And if it is, the lack of it will certainly be a problem coming up.

    I’m with you, I too like to have a happy ending and I hope for Vin and Elend that is the case when all is said and done.

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