Dragonflight readalong conclusion, Anne McCaffrey

Today is the conclusion of the Dragonflight readalong being hosted by Carl over at Stainless Steel Droppings.  This has been an interesting book split really into almost two halves.  The first introduces us to Pern and it’s inhabitants and dragons.  The second half brings us something a little more unusual in terms of stepping outside of the realms of fantasy and into the realms of sci fi.  If you haven’t read this book already the following post will include spoilers.

1.  The Threads are further explored and become very much the focal point in parts 3 and 4 of Dragonflight.  What are your thoughts on the Threads in general and how do you feel these worked as an enemy vs. the traditional enemies you see in SFF novels?

They almost don’t feel like an enemy.  They’re not, after all, coming onto the planet and attacking people (as in swords and bombs, etc) – they’re just like some sort of alien plant life and maybe these threads are always shedded from the planet and if they land somewhere and grow root then all well and good – just like natural plant life, seeds from trees, spores from ferns and fungus.  In a way it all seems much more natural and not like some nasty predator with big gnashing teeth – but for all that, the threat of them is very real, just again like in nature, when trees, for example, are sometimes killed by fungus attac,  Basically the threads will turn the planet into a desert in fairly short order so it’s pretty damn important that they’re eliminated.  I’m not sure that the Red Planet has an evil or malicious plan?  It doesn’t feel like that to me at the moment.  It just feels more like nature taking it’s course even if it is destructive.  I suppose the other thing is that this is from a different planet and maybe there’s a natural predator there that keeps the threads in check?  That being said it’s still a very potent threat.  So, to cut a long story short, I like what McCaffrey has come up with here.  Like I said, ‘threads’ they sound pretty innocuous but really they’re quite deadly.  They might not be little green men with bulbous heads shouting ‘ack, ack, ack, we come in piece’ right before they dissolve you but they’re still pretty nasty!

2. The science fictional concept of time travel becomes an important device in the later half of Dragonflight, how do you feel McCaffrey did in working time travel into the plot?

I really enjoyed this aspect.  It makes my head spin if I’m going to be totally honest because I get into this whole what came first question.  Like The Terminator – if the Terminator hadn’t gone back in time to kill John Connor then the technology would not have existed to build the robots that eventually cause the nuclear disaster – so, time travel makes me all a dither and I have to pay proper attention, literally stop reading while I think about all the implications of the last chapter.  I did actually guess about the importance of the time travel – probably stupidly, I thought maybe it would involve the future.  Now, before you all jump out of your seats – I was thinking maybe Lessa coming back from the future to help them (because in the future she would know there was a problem now?? But would she have survived the problem in order to have come back?  I give up).  Having read on, of course, I realise how unrealistic this is because McCaffrey was keeping the whole time travel continuum thing in place with the not meeting your own self.  But, yes, I really enjoyed this aspect of the story.

3.  Of the new characters introduced in this second half of Dragonflight, who did you like/not like and why?  

I liked the master harper guy whose name now escapes me (was it Robinton?)- need to go back and check his name out.  Not sure if I particularly disliked anyone.  I mean, you’re probably not supposed to like some of the Lord of Manor types – they’re all a bit obnoxious and yet after all there ‘oh, there are no threads and we’re not paying you tithes’ they were pretty quick to the table to bemoan what needed to be done when the real threat became apparent.  I suppose the real person who was so horrible and hate-worthy was killed in the first few chapters.

4.  We talked about it in the first discussion and there is no way we can get away from it in Part 2: What are your feelings on the progression of the relationship between F’lar and Lessa throughout this second half of the book?

Well, I was really puzzled when there was discussion about this last week because I hadn’t read further.  Reading on this week my initial reaction was ‘what? you have to be kidding me’.  In fact when I realised the full extent of what had happened I was pretty annoyed and almost at first a bit astonished that McCaffrey was writing that as part of her storyline.  But then I got back to a bit more sideways thinking.  Thinking about the threat which is a very natural threat, the way the weyr live feels a lot more closer to nature.  It might not be our way but it is reflected quite a bit in the natural world and is clearly the way  they live and what they expected.  The top dog rules, the end.  Having said that Lessa and F’Lar have clearly now developed feelings towards each other – so what happens if his dragon is no longer victorious!!  Or maybe there’s more choice in it than we really know.  Maybe the dragons have a lot more influence over who their partner is – I don’t know what I’m talking about basically which must be very apparent!  But, yes, obviously I didn’t like what happened to Lessa but I can respect that this is a different planet, a different way of living, different rules, different expectations – just take the rounding up of the young boys who become dragonriders – you wouldn’t be best please would you if some dragon riding guy flys out of the sky and takes your son off.  And the women chosen – some of them died when the dragon queen hatched!  Different world, you could call them less civilised but basically at the end of the day it’s apples and pears.

5.  And finally, what is your overall assessment of Dragonflight?  How does it measure up against other classic science fiction you’ve read?  Would you recommend it to modern readers, why or why not?

I really enjoyed it and would definitely recommend to other readers.  It’s not fantasy and its not sci fi – fusion!!  What works about this is it’s not been done in a sort of surreal way.  We don’t have this mediaeval world with dragons that is then invaded by the little green men shouting ‘ack, ack, ack’.  It feels more, not realistic, but acceptable.  Okay, and, I’m not comparing this to Feist’s Riftwar Sage in terms of story but I suppose the Magician was similar in that it quite seemlessly blended the two elements and made them work together in a way that felt reasonable.  I can’t really compare this to a lot of classic sci fi because I’m not well enough read but I enjoyed it. I must admit though that the sci-fi element feels quite minimal – and what I suppose I mean by that is it’s not all gadgets and spaceships, hyperspace and strange new creatures.

This has been a great readalong Carl – thanks for hosting.  A great choice of book with plenty of debate and discussion which was really enjoyable to take part in.

20 Responses to “Dragonflight readalong conclusion, Anne McCaffrey”

  1. cherylmahoney's avatar cherylmahoney

    1) I just have to say I’m so amused by your descriptions of other kinds of threats. Ack, ack, ack! 🙂

    2) SO circular. I commented on that in my reply to your comment on my blog too… (wow, that sentence is kind of circular)

    3) Robinton! I am enjoying the Robinton Fan Club that’s emerging in this discussion.

    4) Yes…there are difficulties in here, and a lot of it does come down to, what happens if the wrong dragon flies the queen? But there are hints that the riders or the dragons (I’m not quite clear here either) won’t let it happen. I do rather love that moment when Lessa tells F’lar that no one but Mnementh will fly Ramoth. I’m not sure exactly what it means on a practical front, but I would like to believe it means there really is some choice in here.

    I like your point about different cultures too. Later books also emphasize that dragonriders have a very “free love” culture so it’s not quite as big a deal to them (I guess…?) Well, apples and pears, as you said.

    5) Fusion! Yes. And I love that some of the books are much more fantasy and some are much more sci fi, and yet somehow they all fit together too…

    • @lynnsbooks's avatar lynnsbooks

      I thought it was a really good combination of SFF. I do look forward to reading more in the series. And, I’m glad that you reminded me about the part where Lessa says no one but Mnementh will fly Ramoth – because she’s also admitting that there’s only F’lar for her really by saying that.
      I think I need a tutorial about the whole time travel issue – or maybe I just need to not try to hard to think it through. Probably better for me just to enjoy the moment.
      Lynn 😀

  2. Carl V. Anderson's avatar Carl V.

    The threads are indeed nasty, the more so I think because they seem like something that would be no big deal and yet they land and start doing immediate damage to the environment. It is a very clever idea for the nemesis of the story.

    Kudos to you for thinking ahead about how the time travel element would affect the story. It isn’t often that my brain works that way for me. Usually I am so engrossed in a story that I don’t see anything coming, but once in a while (not this time) I have a light bulb moment and see a bit behind the curtain.

    I thought it was fun that the second story had some different characters as it worked nicely when it was woven into one book. I suppose maybe one could dislike Kylara but I thought she was a hoot. Her presence took the edge off Lessa a bit by showing that Lessa cared enough to be jealous. I wish we would have seen Lessa try to use her mind powers on Kylara to get her out of the picture. That could have been fun.

    I’m not sure I can do much comparison of it to other classic works as I haven’t read a lot of them either. I’ve read quite a few, but barely made a dent in what exists. I do agree with you that this fusion felt very natural and that it worked surprisingly well, especially after the rough start. This group read has been a real pleasure.

    • @lynnsbooks's avatar lynnsbooks

      Hi Carl
      It has been a very enjoyable readalong and if you do decide to do a further one then I will certainly join in – but I think I’d probably like to read them in order to be honest.
      I don’t think there will be time travel in the future – it couldn’t really work because of being unable to visualise the final destination point, I was originally thinking that somebody could travel back and then help another rider to travel forward but that would become very messy with the potential to come across your earlier self. Anyway, I suppose there’s still a lot to explore with the time travel element.
      The whole section with Kylara made me laugh – I mean, Lessa was jealous for sure, so jealous that she had her removed to a different weyr and a different time!!
      I do think the threads were a clever idea. It’s like you said in your post, they’re the threat but because of the nature of them they allow you still to focus on the main characters of the story without stealing the show. I suppose there’s still a lot left to explore and this story has probably only just skimmed the story when you think about it.
      Lynn 😀

      • SueCCCP's avatar SueCCCP

        I agree with Carl: I would have liked to see Lessa pull a ‘Jedi mind trick’ on Kylara . . . “This is not the bodacious man that you are looking for!” 😀

  3. TBM's avatar TBM

    I was hoping to join this one, but my silly rule of not buying books interfered. I haven’t read your post entirely since I don’t want to ruin the story completely, but from my glimpses I’m intrigued. This will teach me to stick to a resolution.

    • @lynnsbooks's avatar lynnsbooks

      It’s such a shame that your library couldn’t come up with a copy. Hopefully they will recover their copy at some point and you’ll be able to check out the story. And, well done sticking to your resolution – my library also didn’t have a copy and so I got mine on the kindle which was slightly cheaper. That’s the one thing about Kindle’s though – you can’t really share them otherwise you could have my copy!
      Good luck with your resolution.
      Lynn 😀

    • SueCCCP's avatar SueCCCP

      Does your library do inter-library loans? If not, time to find one that does! 🙂

  4. Hilcia's avatar Hilcia

    Lynn, I wish I knew more about the Threads and the Red Planet. Those Threads are disgusting and really a threat to the environment. I thought it was interesting that in 1960 McCaffrey went with the enemy as being a threat to the environment in this classic SFF book.

    The “time travel” aspect of this story worked for me! I like how McCaffrey developed it from the dragons and riders ability to go to the “between” and a specific place, into the “between” and dragons & riders going into the “when” or “time.” Clever.

    F’lar and Tessa and that whole relationship based on when or if their dragons stay together is just… not right. Neither is what happens WHEN the dragons get together and the humans mate. I can’t say that enough. Gender issues in this book don’t really go away… they just get a little better.

    • @lynnsbooks's avatar lynnsbooks

      Yeah, she was sort of really ahead of her time there with the whole threat to the environment aspect. It’s really interesting..
      The time travel aspect was also really clever. McCaffrey certainly came up with something original there with the whole ‘between’ aspect.
      I agree with you about the rider/dragon relationship issue – particularly what happens when the dragons first get together. Last week when everyone was discussing that I hadn’t the first notion what was going on! I thought I must have misinterpreted something wrongly then as I carried on reading this week I had a real ‘haha’ moment when I finally realised what everyone was talking about. I was a bit horrified at first not to mention a bit surprised that a female author had gone down that sort of route but I suppose she was coming up with the whole idea of a different culture to ours with maybe less sexual taboos – I suppose it was the 60s when she wrote this as well? And I wonder whether she was trying to, not so much shock people, but step out of the way people expect women authors to write?
      Lynn 😀

      • SueCCCP's avatar SueCCCP

        Also, we know that the non-weyr folk are more than a little disgusted by the things that happen in the Weyrs, so it does reflect that whole mainstream vs hippies divide as well.

  5. nrlymrtl's avatar nrlymrtl

    I like your description of the Threads – they’re the kudzu of the galaxy! I am glad that Less and F’Lar made so many changes to the weyr – like having the boys and potential queen riders hang out with the eggs ahead of time, which really reduced their fear come Impression day.

    • @lynnsbooks's avatar lynnsbooks

      Yeah, I thought they made some good changes and F’Lar seemed to become a much more moderate and thoughtful leader. The whole issue over the eggs and impression day was a much needed improvement!
      Lynn 😀

      • SueCCCP's avatar SueCCCP

        I know! Why would you want a system where all the kids were scared out of their minds and people and dragons were getting injured . . . sounds really stupid and wasteful to me!

  6. Rowen Sivertsen's avatar rowen2013

    This looks like a really fun, but challenging way to read a book: you’re answering questions set up by someone else as you read along? Fun, because it gives new perspectives. Challenging because you have to keep stopping and thinking – only a seasoned book reviewer can do that! I always have to read a book like a boa snake: one huge gulp, and then digest slowly!
    Rowen at Birch Tree Road Publishing

    • @lynnsbooks's avatar lynnsbooks

      I like readalongs – they make you stop and consider what you’re reading and look at things from other’s perspectives. Also, because you have breaks during the readalong and you then read other’s answers it gives you a chance to reflect more so that you don’t just jump to the first conclusion and stick with it. I like to read plenty of books in between but I enjoy the group feel. We all have our own opinions of course and we get into discussions and defend our own points of view. It’s good fun. You do have to be a bit controlled though, well I do anyway, I have to be really strict otherwise I read too far on then end up giving away spoilers in my answers.
      Lynn 😀

      • SueCCCP's avatar SueCCCP

        The read along discussions bring up ideas and perspectives that I would never consider, but which make the whole experience so much richer and enjoyable. I also agree with Lynn, that it can be difficult to not read ahead of the schedule, but it does give you time to digest each section and mull over what might be ahead. I love the way that this makes me think so much more about a book than if I just read it alone.

  7. Rowen Sivertsen's avatar rowen2013

    PS: I forgot to say that the McCarthy series were the first fantasy series to come into our house after Tolkein – nearly 20 years after Tolkein! They broke a long moratorium.
    Rowen

  8. SueCCCP's avatar SueCCCP

    1. Ah, Mars Attacks! ‘Ack ‘Ack ‘Ack!

    4. I like your comment about the system in the Weyr being closer to nature in many ways, because you are quite right and it one of the problems we have with it is that we live in a very different society. It just shows how difficult it is for us to put aside our own ideas of morality when we fead fiction! I think your view adds to my own idea that the Thread is such a deadly threat that it becomes the only thing that dictates how the society progresses. The Thread threat needs women and dragons to breed more often and / or produce larger families: then it becomes socially acceptable for that to happen.

    5. Ironically, I think that the complaints that I have about the way that women are treated in this society are mitigated simply because they are a symptom of the pressures on that society. I would still want to warn people about them though before they start reading, just because it could be a shock if you were not expecting it.

    • @lynnsbooks's avatar lynnsbooks

      Yeah, the whole society feels a little suck in time really as though it’s not moving forward. Like you say the concentration is on keeping the threads at bay and nothing else seems to be considered.
      Lynn 😀

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